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Lack of homosexual characters in TV, films, and literature

It's very hard to find a book about two men falling in love. Most of the time, if there are lesbians in TV or a movie, it is mostly to appeal the male audience. Females are used as sexual items. But, for the past few years, there have been breakthroughs. TV shows such as Faking It on MTV, or shows like Orange is the New Black really do show lesbian relationships and struggles. Are homosexual relationships finally becoming more common?

  • I think entertainment is starting to include more homosexual relationships, but something you could look at critically and address is how these are portrayed. Are the two in the relationship portrayed as the typical "flamboyant gay character"? I'm afraid that this group, though gaining attention, isn't being portrayed realistically and diversely. – moepsen3 9 years ago
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  • I do think you have a point in the relationships seen in pop-culture are becoming a little less hetero-centric; there is something to consider. "Modern Family" depicts a gay couple and by many accounts are a fairly realistic version of gay couple. However, the scenes in which the couple are intimate or affectionate towards each other are almost non-existent in the first season. By the time they do kiss in the second season they are in the background behind a heterosexual hug in the foreground. In a seven season run, conversations about their sex life or romantic life are overshadowed by those of the heterosexual couples. – C N Williamson 9 years ago
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  • Common because of audience demand/network willingness to accept in small dosage/public perceptions. But another question is: How prominent? – GraceD 9 years ago
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  • You're right on the money with lesbian relationships catering to the male gaze. Since you bring up OITNB, it may also be helpful to analyze bi-erasure. Piper has meaningful, fulfilling relationships with members of both sexes, but the show never mentions her bisexuality. She's "straight" when she's with Larry, and "lesbian" when she's with Alex. – Kristian Wilson 9 years ago
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  • There are some articles on here which trace the inclusion of homosexual relationships in various forms. I would suggest focusing on one medium. – Cmandra 9 years ago
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Netflix Original Shows vs. Network Counterparts

Generally, a discussion on what Netflix-exclusive shows do differently than their network counterparts.

You have shows like Senses8, Orange is the New Black, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Master of None, Bojack Horseman and etc.

What do these shows prove differently than shows that are on network television like How to get Away with Murder and Scandal, even Grey's Anatomy. Shows that show the grittiness just like Netflix shows, but in what ways do they differ in what type of grit you can use on network television shows compared to Netflix where creativity is the producer and directors own.

  • Is this really a fair topic and question to bring up when all they have is two shows? I mean, you can't make any sort of conjecture or hypothesis off of just two instances or examples... really for anything. So why try to do it with this? Besides which, I think you bring up potential concerns and issues for any series that exists out there, either online or on network television. And Netflix has produced far more shows than just the Marvel ones. And from what I've heard and gathered through osmosis, they're all pretty stellar and solid productions. So I'm not quite sure what the interest in discussing the disappointment in Jessica Jones from this particular angle is all about. – Jonathan Leiter 9 years ago
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  • I feel like I haven't seen enough negative feedback for either show to make the assumption that the Netflix Original shows are declining. Both of them are only into their first season and (as previously stated) there are only two shows to discuss. It's way too soon to make an assumption like this. – Reese2341 9 years ago
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  • I agree that a) there are only two (not that long as of yet) shows available and b) the critical consensus I've seen as been pretty positive, so I'm unsure if there is enough evidence to suspect a decline. The only way would be pitting Jessica Jones against Daredevil, but the former is strong and engaging (having watched it all soon after it premiered). They have their issues, but those seem minor. I wouldn't call Jessica Jones a step down at all. Maybe you could form a similar topic concerning Netflix originals (these shows; OitNB; Sense8) in general? Not sure if this has been done, but I'd be curious to see a discussion on what Netflix-exclusive shows do differently than their network counterparts. Anyway, best of luck! – emilydeibler 9 years ago
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  • that's actually a really good topic choice (i'll change it to that), thank you @emily you rule!!! :) – scole 9 years ago
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  • Hey, no problem. Best of luck! :) – emilydeibler 9 years ago
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Scandal and reflection on events occurring today

Analyze how Shonda Rhimes incorporates events that are happening in America today, such as black lives matter movement, gay rights, women rights, etc. in the tv show Scandal.

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    Decoding Social Commentary in The Walking Dead

    Some weeks ago, there was an episode of the Walking Dead that appeared to serve as a commentary on real world events. It was a story of one group of people, reduced to an almost primitive cult-like state, driven to attack another segment of society that endeavored to hold on to current notions of civilized existence. This group that faced attack was comprised of survivors living in a kind of gated community somewhat untouched by the horrific realities of the outside world.

    This one episode could easily be seen as a commentary on our fears of the other, about the encroachment of medieval fundamentalism and our relationship to modernity (as a sometimes violent counterforce). The attackers in this episode had a religious zeal for delivering death as way of providing an answer for the "civilians" ills. Those that survived the onslaught wielded modern weaponry (in contrast to the attackers who were armed only with sharp or blunt instruments, painted faces and madness). Those who lived within the city limits (as it were) and imagined a safe life of homemaking simplicity were cut down while the people trained in the art of killing (even those who first tried to use non-lethal methods) survived.

    Obviously, the tradition for the Zombie film as a symbolic experience was set by Romero with Night of The Living Dead (Vietnam) and his follow-up Dawn of THe Dead (consumerism). With The Walking Dead we appear to be in The Age of Terrorism.

    The Monster is alive and well, and, as always, is us.

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      Into the Badlands: AMC's Multi-Genre Dystopia in the Age of Dystopias

      This new show appears right after AMC's hit show The Walking Dead and tells the story of a Clipper (assassin) named Sunny and his role in the dystopian world called The Badlands. What makes this show so interesting and unique is the variety of different genres it could possibly fall into. It has elements of a classic Kung-Fu movie, bringing us back to the great days of Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan, but it also incorporates elements of magic and other-worldliness that can only be described as fantasy. This show can also be labeled as a dystopia because the setting is very similar to our world and is supposedly set post-apocalypse. This series has the potential to reach a variety age groups: those who are older and appreciate the classic nature of a great Kung-Fu film and those who are younger and enjoy the current phenomena of the dystopia and fantasy genres. Could this menagerie of genres be the television of the future or is this simply an appeal to a wide variety of popular genre fads? How does this show use the varying genres to separate itself from more popular dystopias/post-apocalyptic stories like The Hunger Games, Divergent, and others? Is this a way of creating something unique out of the dystopian genre or is it simply another body in an already over-crowded genre?

      • What about the show should the focus be on? The interplay between a mish-mash of eastern discipline and action (and choreography/cinematography), American Southern restoration period aesthetics, and medieval feudalism (possibly the common ground between the east and west)? Should it be focused on how this genre is rarely used in television, if at all? Why now? Why go so heavy in kung fu on such an experiment (which seems to be a worthwhile payoff, quality wise at least)? Should it focus on an Asian male actor leading a prominent show, hearkening back to the legacy of Bruce Lee, who brought kung fu to the west more successfully than anyone before him, and to whom all subsequent kung fu/martial arts movies owe a debt of gratitude to? On the otherside of that same coin, why is it that Asian male (and female) action stars get pigeon holed in kung fu master roles? Basically, the prompt needs to be more than just "here's the show and some back ground; write something about it." But yeah, great show. – nsnow 9 years ago
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      Do we need cliffhanger endings?

      It seems like television shows always end the seasons with cliffhangers. But why? It's been a long time since JR was shot and it had people talking for months to try to figure out who was responsible. Do cliffhangers matters anymore? Shows like Misfits managed to have satisfying endings with minor cliffhangers and were able to come back the next season with new stories. What purpose do cliffhangers serve especially in our constantly fractured TV landscape in America it's become common to break seasons in half just to have a winter finale and then a end of the show season finale. Wouldn't no cliffhangers better serve shows like the recently cancelled The Whispers or The Event both of which ended in cliffhangers that will never be resolved. Contrast to show that didnt end in cliffhangers like the miniseries turned full TV show The 4400 which was originally a miniseries that had a satisfying ending. And when it turned into a full series to my recollection ended with a cliffhanger.

      • I think the cliff-hanger ending (of seasons leading up to the finale) merely try get a rise out of the fans. An example of this was the finale to the third season of House of Cards. But I would not want a cliff-hanger at the finale of the series itself. – luminousgloom 9 years ago
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      • Cliff-hanger endings have always served the same purpose: to get people talking, and to convince them to come back in droves for the next season to see what happened. Only in hindsight, if a show gets cancelled before a cliffhanger is resolved, does it seem like a pointless inclusion. But it wouldn't quite be the same if that cliffhanger had been resolved. Some shows can thankfully set things up to end on a good note if they get a memo early enough in advance that their show will be cancelled, which is what happened with "Brisco County Jr." But if it pops up inbetween seasons, then no one can do anything about it, like what happened to "My Name is Earl." – Jonathan Leiter 9 years ago
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      • I think it depends. I think you can still have a satisfying show without cliffhangers depending on your genre/show style. I don't think it's necessarily bad to use them though either. It generates intrigue and talk. It allows the viewers to involve themselves in the story even though it's not currently airing and they are waiting for the next season to start. I kind of like the excitement personally. And I like to think and scheme and wonder instead of be handfed the story passively. But again, I think some plots lend better to being consumed passively vs. actively, so I think it's really up to the writers. That said, obviously from a monetary standpoint, building hype and buzz usually generates revenue which is always the goal. – Tatijana 9 years ago
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      • "Only in hindsight, if a show gets cancelled before a cliffhanger is resolved, does it seem like a pointless inclusion." --- I think it's the other way around. It's always a pointless inclusion and only in hindsight if they don't get cancelled does it seem like brilliant forethought. I don't think that cliffhangers really get people talking like they used to when a television show was a unifying force. --- "And I like to think and scheme and wonder instead of be handfed the story passively." --- There's still room for ploting and scheming. There's just no reason to stretch it out over the season break when no one knows for certain if they'll be back. If you KNOW you're back there's room to argue for cliffhangers but take Scream Queens for instance and Harper's Island as well. Both of which had active communities trying to ID the killer while the show airs. It's not the end of show talk if you talk week to week. – wolfkin 9 years ago
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      • There really hasn't been a cliffhanger phenomenon quite like "Who Shot JR?." It was really the first, and best example of what the cliffhanger is for: to raise awareness and word-of-mouth regarding a show in order to draw more viewers. Since cliffhangers are used now with such frequency, they have lost their initial punch. However, every now and then, it still works. When Rick Grimes and his group of survivors were captured by cannibals at the end of Season 5 of "The Walking Dead," it did lead to a huge audience for the next season's premier. I think, at this point, what cliffhangers do best is to speak to our own addiction to anticipation. Waiting months to resolve hanging storylines feels almost like that post-Thanksgiving anticipation for Christmas morning. – TheHall 9 years ago
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      Game of Thrones and Race

      How does the HBO series Game of Thrones subvert the typical depictions (or lack thereof) of non-white characters in fantasy epics?

      • This is a topic that has been deeply explored, think about what deeper/new/unique take on this idea you can suggest. – MichelleAjodah 9 years ago
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      • I have not seen this topic explored in depth on this site. I have searched for articles on here but cannot find them. If it has been explored on this site, can you point me in the right direction so I can see how it has already been talked about that I may nuance the question. Otherwise, if this discourse is happening elsewhere (and I am aware that it is) I would love for an author on this site to consolidate the information, make an analysis, and bring the discourse to this community. Please advise. – Cmandra 9 years ago
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      • I definitely watch GOT and think, "Man, someone really needed to read some Edward Said." I think you could write quite a lot about the depiction of the Dothraki (especially how they are meant to be inspired by Genghis Khan and the Mongols, but lack a lot of the nuances of that culture), of Essos in general, of how Dornish characters are depicted. There are also female characters of color with influence and agency in the books who are excluded from the show, such as Arianne, Alayaya, and Chataya. I'd be interested in the bigger picture as well, of how this compares to high fantasy lit as a whole. – emilydeibler 9 years ago
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      • To say that POC is something new in the fantasy genre only shows one's own lack of reading. Authors like Ursala K Leguin and others have been writing POC for decades. – MattHotaling 9 years ago
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      • The topic specifically refers to the HBO series and not the book. I would like to clarify that this topic refers to "depictions" of non-white characters in TV and film media. – Cmandra 9 years ago
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      Animaniacs: Wacky Sophistication

      To the untrained eye, the cartoon series Animaniacs may seem like a bunch of base toilet humor (literally). However, this was a highly sophisticated series with everything from pop culture to political references, musical theatre parodies, lessons in American history, and even some more serious shorts. Explore this series as well-crafted children's entertainment.

      • Not to mention that is actually known for deconstructing comedic cartoon tropes, even I didn't know that till I was older! – Ryan Walsh 9 years ago
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